who needs dynojet???.............................

[mccutch2u]

http://www.bazzazperformance.com/index.php?page=shop.browse&category_id=2&option=com_virtuemart&Itin theory you should never have to dynotune your bike you just tell the module what air fuel ratio you want and it does the rest like a car it uses an o2 sensor .......................I like but will have to do some checking into a little more than the pc3 but i think would be worh it

[cantcode86]

It is avail Tucker Rocky. It is in the 07 sportbike update. $ is not bad but when you start adding all the things that you want (but will never need unless on the track) it gets expensive. I had Kenny/Matt looking at this system for next years racebike.

[cantcode86]

also need to check into if you can have traction cntl and quick shifting. It looks like they are separate that each have FI in them.

[Mike]

Hmm, I'm pretty sure that this does not eliminate the need for PowerCommander or more sophisticated open loop systems. It sounds like part (the closed loop part) of a solution for optimal fueling. The open loop would still have to be tuned and managed separately.


...oh and quit posting technical crap in the Charleston forum :hammer:

[the_MAC]

ooooooohhhh.......mike k's pimphand is strong........

[mccutch2u]

maybe burns can get the scoop from kevin

[mccutch2u]

i don't know how to move this to the tech forum and i am sorry mike .............can you spank jason 41 later for it .........but anyway so for needing a powercommander you do not need it as long as you have the o2 module it has a tunind interface for the laptop more will come as i continue my research......................

[mccutch2u]

i talked to kevin about it and he seems to like the system though he has not been able to use it he says that it should be a good system at least for the consumer since it would not require dyno tuning though the cost would be more than a pc3

[Mike]

I tried both a standalone and a piggyback system on my WRX. Both systems needed closed loop and open loop components. Closed (cybernetic) was fine under regular conditions, cruising, etc., but the open component always had to be dyno-tuned, on a RPM/TPS/load 3D map. Granted, this was for a more demanding turbo engine, but the technology still applies.

I still like that idea that yet another option has become available for motorcycles.

[mccutch2u]

as far as i and he understood you do have to tell the module what you want you air fuel ratio to be

[cantcode86]

the way the new bikes fi is working we are going to need something. From my understanding the CCS and WERA guys have had a lot of trouble with the PC USB on the GSXR600/750. The stock fi has been trying to reset it self. I know Trey had to go to the Yosh sys. I would imagine they will have the same issues with the 1k as Suzuki has been making their bike to Eur emissions spec.

[mccutch2u]

yeah anyone like kevin or some of the other tuners will tell you that the dynojet system kind of sucks like i put the powr commander on my biken then later added the ign mod and the ign mod software wsn't compatible with the pc3 software so when we installed the update it fried the pc3 and i had to send both of them back and have them fix and update which was a pain in the as s

[mccutch2u]

but I also know that any kind of software can have its glitches and one of the problems is that they change the bikes so often that by the time dnojet gets the pc3 close to right they have to start all over again it would be nice if the manufacturers did some type of tuning option so that if you did some mods the bike would compensate like if they did a system like what this bazzazz is suppose to be able to do so that it corrects the fuel air ratio without the need for a pc3

[MrDude_1]

what would be nice is if they did something similar to GM.

ever notice how GM guys mod the crap out of their corvette/camaro/truck/whatever and still run the stock PCM, even with heads/cam, forced induction or other significant mods?


thats because while each GM PCM harness and tune is diffrent, the hardware for the PCM stays the same... and the layout of the software is similar.
so you just have one cable, and with some small software updates, you can tune one year/model... and next year, you just need a small update for the new file, and then you can tune it.
none of this "switching everything electronic every year" BS...

and if they did that, then we would have none of this piggyback shit.. none of this "tricking" the computer... you could actually tune the ECM/ECU/PCM/whatever-TLA-you-want-to-call-it.... no other BS required.

[mccutch2u]

that is basically what i meant is to set it up so that the stock ecm could do all of it for you