MotoGP 08 Discussion

[MrDude_1]

yea, once stoner got in first, he was setting the fastest lap on the course...although rossi got a good fight near the end... made for a fun ending.

[Nash]

And last year Rossi complained that his limiting factor was his tires! Well, now he's still getting his ass kicked and he is on his beloved Bridgestones this year. I'm loving it!

[MrDude_1]

And last year Rossi complained that his limiting factor was his tires! Well, now he's still getting his ass kicked and he is on his beloved Bridgestones this year. I'm loving it!

sooo what race where you watching?

i was watching the one where rossi had an obviously underpowered bike, yet was keeping ahead of dovizioso on the corners.. and then dovizioso would have the speed to pass him at the end of every open section, and rossi was working to keep the door shut on him.. and still went faster thru the tight sections.... he was on a obviously slower bike, and was still up there in 4th most of the race... it was a good tight show, even if it was for fourth and not first....

stoner, the second place guy (i forgot who) and pedrosa were all so strung out that it wasnt even a race between them...



then again, i suppose it would look like he got his ass kicked if you just read the race results, and didnt actually watch the race......

[Nash]

What race was I watching? I was watching the race in Doha where Lorenza on a YAMAHA came in second place. Yes, that Yamaha looked pretty dang strong to me. Wait, isn't Rossi on a Yamaha? Hmmm, imagine that.

Rossi complained all last year about tires, now he has the same as Stoner and others with Bridgestones. He got waxed, plain and simple. I don't look how far he was from 4th, I look how far off he was from first. He now has decent competition throughout the field which is unlike his previous 5 championship titles.

And you bring up Dovizioso? First, Honda is well known for having the weakest motor out of the 800cc group, which should be replaced soon. Second, you're talking about Rossi having trouble getting past a rookie? Enough said.

Trust me, I watch EVERY MotoGP race and I have for the past 15 years. The question is, what race where you watching?

[MrDude_1]

What race was I watching? I watching the race in Doha where Lorenza on a YAMAHA came in second place. That Yamaha looked pretty dang strong to me. Wait, isn't Rossi on a Yamaha...hmm, imagine that. Rossi complained all last year about tires, now he has the same as Stoner and he got waxed. He now has decent competition throughout the field which is unlike his previous 5 championship titles.

And you bring up Dovizioso? First, Honda is well known for having the weakest motor out of the 800cc group, which should be replaced soon. Second, you're talking about Rossi having trouble getting past a rookie! Enough said.

if you're racing in motoGP, you're not a rookie. :lol:

rossi is a seasoned pro... i seriously doubt he has a problem with opening the throttle all the way on the straights... yet there he was tucked in, at WOT on the straights, and other bikes were going faster... you explain that.
im not defending him specificly, but it was just obvious that his bike was not pulling as hard as the bikes around him... and it was obvious he was working better in the tighter corners..

and you know damn well tires has nothing to do with stoner waxing the field on his bike.. i cant put stoner down as a rider, he rode a flawless race, the bike bearly twitched..smooth enough he made it look easy.... but his bike is much faster then the rest of the field.

[Nash]

When you're racing in any field for the first time you're a rookie. So, yes he's a rookie and on a underpowered bike. Rossi is overrated.

Funny how when Stoner wins, most say it's his bike. When Rossi wins, it's his skill. Considering that the next Ducati was in 11th spot, I don't think its the machine. The kid is amazing!

[jason 41]

Damn it I posted on the CBR thread. 5 world titles, and he's over rated. WTF! That's the DUMBEST SHIT I'VE EVER HEARD.

[Nash]

Instead of "he has 5 Championships" why not add you vast knowledge of MotoGP, Jason. I'm sure with the two years you've been watching MotoGp, you can up with something better than that.

[Nash]

Rossi was clearly the fastest on the brakes as he has always been. His bike is not as fast as the Ducati. But his teammate rode a better race, saving his tires till the later part of the race. Pedrosa rode the wheels of the honda at the start of the race and then faded. there is alot of strategy that goes into these races, that may be hard for some to understand. And who said getting 5th in a moto gp race is getting spanked? Bet you couldn't do it. I sure couldn't. :wave:

At what point did I say I could do it? Because you club race you, you know more about what's happening in MotoGP than I do? Get real. I guess I need to play college football to understand the NFL.

The competition has become much younger and better. When Rossi won his 5 titles he was racing against old has-beens. MotoGP finally weeded them out and now has become much less political. They are getting the best of the best to ride these machines.

I'm not saying he's not a great rider, he's a fantastic rider but several has said he's the all-time GOD of MotoGP. The past few years he hasn't even looked like a saint.

[jason 41]

First, I was pointing out that NONE of us could get 5th in that race. Second, I do Know whats going on during a motorcycle race. Were was Stoner before he got that Ducati....... Rossi is fast on anything. And shame on you for calling Nicky Hayden a has been. :eek: Stoner is fast, But he Ain't NO Rossi. :hail:

[MrDude_1]

The competition has become much younger and better. When Rossi won his 5 titles he was racing against old has-beens. MotoGP finally weeded them out and now has become much less political. They are getting the best of the best to ride these machines.


but apparently if you're the best of the best and upped into motoGP, you're now a rookie that shouldnt be expected to ride up front??




ok, i know that wasnt your point, but that still seems a little bit contradictory, dont ya think?




none of us said rossi was god. or even that he was awesome at all.... all i said was, the battle for 4th was good. one is faster here, the other is faster there, and they were battling for that position the whole way around the track.
YOU'RE the one going on about how hes supposed to be god, and hes not...
it could have been two rookies that noone really knows, and it still would have been an awesome battle to watch.. they were pushing each other hard for that position, and it was entertaining to watch..

as to the 'you being all knowing because you watched it for 15 years'..... honestly, who gives a fuck? i mean, comon... you said it yourself, all thoes 'old has beens have been weeded out'... so what is your 'race watching experiance' worth?... jack shit.. thats what. watching other races has nothing to do with talking about this one. its commentary like that, the 'im better because ive done it longer' that makes you look like a prick.... even if you're not. :lol:

[Nash]

Hayden is not one of the has-beens I was talking about, he's still racing. Hence, him not being weeded out. Honestly, IMO, Nick is just an above average MotoGP racer. I really like the kid, but his talent doesn't work well with 800cc bike that handles similiar to a two-stroke.

[Booty Freak]

Pedrosa was bob'n & weave'n on the start like he was trying
to merge onto 526 during rush hour traffic. I enjoyed the night
race part of it, but I think day races will not be going anywhere anytime
soon. Stoner is spot on once he gets the lead. Season ought to be
good once everyone gets there bikes & tires dialed.

[Nash]

sooo what race where you watching?

then again, i suppose it would look like he got his ass kicked if you just read the race results, and didnt actually watch the race......

That's why? You can't even remember who's racing, that’s why I know more. I got you even before you started. I stated a fact about how poorly Rossi did and you think Rossi had a great race. Its all pretty simple. But then you questioned if I watched the race. I let you know I did and more.


Rossi blew it! You were blaming Rossi's 5th place on his bike. I blame him. Did any of you read the drama Rossi was cooking up during the off-season? I follow MotoGP religiously, on and off season so I was aware of the drama brewing for this race. When he only could manage 5th, I thought it was great!

Apparently you just don't get the rookie comments, so never mind. And trust me, Travis, you are last on a long list of people I don't care about if you think I'm a prick or not.

[Nash]

as to the 'you being all knowing because you watched it for 15 years'..... honestly, who gives a fuck? i mean, comon... you said it yourself, all thoes 'old has beens have been weeded out'... so what is your 'race watching experiance' worth?... jack shit.. thats what. watching other races has nothing to do with talking about this one.

No, zippy, because watching for 15 years I would know and have seen Rossi's competition since he's been on 125s and my comparison would be based off of that.

[t-cell]

Nick is just an above average MotoGP racer. I really like the kid, but his talent doesn't work well with 800cc bike that handles similiar to a two-stroke. I sort of agree - I would much rather see Nicky riding on the World Superbike circuit, then MotoGP.

Rossi is fast period - regardless what you put him on. He outbrakes nearly everyone, and has some of the most impressive lines around any and all circuits. Honestly, I feel Pedrosa has a very similar riding style. If he (Rossi) is not the best ever in GP then he is the same group as Doohan, Lawson etc...

[mandingo]

Rossi's attitude and fan base makes him a God to MOTO GP because no one has ever done what he has to the sport. As far as talent goes, every single person who makes it to moto gp is extremely talented. Stoner is on fire and is the one to beat right now and rossi is the one with something to prove. To say Hayden is a has been, well that is about the stupidest fucking thing I have ever fucking heard. I guess since maladin lost the title he's a has been too. We as viewers have no idea what it takes to be in that saddle. Sometimes you are off your game and let's not forget that last years RCV was designed around Pedrosa. Do I think he will win the title, he has a shot and that's it, like everyone else. Right now, Stoner is in the right frame of mind and has a level head. everyone else is stressed and loosing sight of the prize. No one on that grid is a has been. The fact that they are trusted to stick their ass on those beautiful, expensive machines makes them all gods in my book and are all to be envide. Let's see how it pans out.

[MrDude_1]

sooo what race where you watching?

then again, i suppose it would look like he got his ass kicked if you just read the race results, and didnt actually watch the race......

That's why? You can't even remember who's racing, that’s why I know more. I got you even before you started. I stated a fact about how poorly Rossi did and you think Rossi had a great race. Its all pretty simple. But then you questioned if I watched the race. I let you know I did and more.


Rossi blew it! You were blaming Rossi's 5th place on his bike. I blame him. Did any of you read the drama Rossi was cooking up during the off-season? I follow MotoGP religiously, on and off season so I was aware of the drama brewing for this race. When he only could manage 5th, I thought it was great!

Apparently you just don't get the rookie comments, so never mind. And trust me, Travis, you are last on a long list of people I don't care about if you think I'm a prick or not.



ahhhh NOW it makes sense.
you're all caught up in the hype, and i was just watching the race.

im not blaming anything on the bike... im just stating the race as it was... and watching the battle for 4th was entertaining... watching 3rd-2nd- or 1st... was not nearly as entertaining.

[jason 41]

AMEN Kenny! AMEN!

[Turbo storm]

Alright kids...my rider can beat-up your rider...they are all damn good. Let's all go to Indy in Sept. and see for ourselves how good they are. I moved here 5 years ago from Indy, and am willing to play tour-guide barbie for those who want to ride while there.
I think we need to see things in person for a good point of view. Then we can argue about who's rider can beat-up who's rider.
Dan the man

[mandingo]

Alright kids...my rider can beat-up your rider...they are all damn good. Let's all go to Indy in Sept. and see for ourselves how good they are. I moved here 5 years ago from Indy, and am willing to play tour-guide barbie for those who want to ride while there.
I think we need to see things in person for a good point of view. Then we can argue about who's rider can beat-up who's rider.
Dan the manCan you provide "entertainment"? :chin:

[jason 41]

I think its funny to call some one a has been, when you ain't never been shit. I wish I could ride one tenth as good as those guys. And who the Flip are you to discredit Rossi's whole career................ Squid. Maybe I should just believe you because you have been watching moto gp for 15 years. And I have only done it for three. :smile

[Turbo storm]

Can you provide "entertainment"?
I know where those places are located...if Kat or other ladies go, one club also has male entertainers too...

rossi is gay. i dont like him because he has a cute fro!

[mandingo]

I'm not picking sides here, I just think the has been phrase is a bit harsh. I've been watching it for a while myself and know that Rossi has done a lot for the sport AS HAS HAYDEN. When was the last time you saw a motorcycle racer in times square being interviewd by every major news channel and every major newspaper? He even had his own Movie on MTV for gods sake. Now you watch music videos and all of the sudden an Alpinestar shirt/hat will be on the performer. Thank you Hayden, M.J. and pastrana. The fact of the matter is that Moto GP is at it's greatest right now and Hayden, Rossi are the ambassadors. I, for one, would love to see Hopkins win a race, but his head is so far up his ass, the track seems to be a hurdle to high for him when he's frustrated.

[mandingo]

Wonder if this had anything to do with it?
http://roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=31718

[Nash]

I think its funny to call some one a has been, when you ain't never been shit. I wish I could ride one tenth as good as those guys. And who the Flip are you to discredit Rossi's whole career................ Squid. Maybe I should just believe you because you have been watching moto gp for 15 years. And I have only done it for three. :smile

Jason you are so predictable. I just told a buddy you'd have something smart ass to say as soon as you thought someone was defending you. You have no merit, as usual, except resort to name calling. Very typical. Do you even know what a has-been is? Let me explain....It is someone that WAS the THING but now has gotten old and the talent level has dropped off. Dead weight. aka Miguel Duhamuel.

Kenny, I don't know if your comment was directed at me, but I didn't see anyone calling Hayden a has-been, especially me. You know he's one of my favorites. Read ALL of the posts, but I did say, I feel, he's only an above average rider. I do think he has tons of talent, obviously, but the 800cc bike does not fit his talents.

Rossi is a great rider, sure, but is he the best ever? Just because he has 5 titles make him the best ever? In my opinion, NO. I'll break his down, Rossi's MotoGP experience began with old, dead weight riders. Hell, Rossi's first year in MotoGP, Kenny Roberts Jr. won the championship. Roberts and Biaggi were Rossi's competition the next few years. Where are Biaggi and Roberts now? Then there was Bayliss, Edwards, and Melandri, none of them did too well in MotoGP. Melandri may do something eventually, but I think he's too inconsistent.

The present day, we have Pedrosa which broke many of Rossi's 125 and 250 records. You have Stoner which is a much younger version of Rossi and I think he might have more talent than Rossi...of course that has yet to be proven. Also, we have Toesland and Dovizioso. Those two, along with Stoner, are the future. Rossi is racing among the most talented riders he's ever faced. To me, he's looking human, and what has he done lately? So yeah, he's OVERRATED!

I still think King Kenny, Schwantz, and Rainey were the best ever.

[Nash]

Wonder if this had anything to do with it?
http://roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=31718

Jorge LORENZO (Yamaha), 201.0 mph

[mandingo]

It was directed at the has been subject, honestly I didn't read everything up to that point, just that when I saw Hayden and has been in the same sentence, well them fightin words. I am, however, getting a kick out of this.

[MrDude_1]

..... Now you watch music videos and all of the sudden an Alpinestar shirt/hat will be on the performer. Thank you Hayden, M.J. and pastrana.......


i can help you out with this...


A* is now in NASCAR...... and like everything A* makes, when you see the NASCAR drivers suits, there are two huge A* logos, one on each shoulder.

[Nash]

Yeah, funny how people get their panties in a wad when you go against the grain. As you can see, not too many constructive comments and I don't think it'll get any better.

[jason 41]

So the title that Rossi won on the yamaha, was won while Hayden was riding. So at that point would Hayden have been a has been, or a never been in your eyes? Your a fair weather fan. Who ever is winning is who evers dick your riding.

[Mike]

C'mon ya'll, this is supposed to be a discussion, not a mud-slinging-fest. Try to keep it non-confrontational, alright?

[Chad]

Man I got sick of readying so now im just gona give my 2 cents so stand back...lol

Stoner is sick my man can ride. Rossi was and still is bad ass. But like you said Nash he is in Moto GP racing old. He will be in the WSBK in a little while Just like one time great Mr. MAX. And damn it I know my man is an American and all but Nicky just blows in Moto GP. He was on an 07 bike last night so I will give him that. I think he's Championship season was crapand that Rossi should have had won it that year to be honest with ya. The way he rode last night he will be back racing AMA or WERA in no time :lol:

[jason 41]

You got it mike. Nash your right Rossi was lucky all those years, He should hang it up and Nicky should race WERA.

[DK]

Stoner = No margin for error, rides machine at limit till the very end.

Rossi= A little reserved, but will challenge anyone for the lead if a battle ensues, he won't settle, if he's not setting the pace then he will collect his points happily.

Toseland = A Casey Stoner of days gone by, that he will ride like a mad man,
the guy is crazy in the right way. Toseland could be our new Shwantz. I did not see the broadcast of this race, but knowing Toseland as little as I do, he'll
be trying to set the world on fire, just hope it works out for him. It could get ugly.


Just my opinion:

Let the games begin !

[Nash]

Here are Rossi's Championships and stout competition. Though, Abe could have been tough. I'd love to see him still on racing grid.

2001
Rossi
Biaggi
Caparossi
Barros
Nakano
Checa

2002
Rossi
Biaggi
Ukawa
Barros
Abe

2003
ROSSI, 357 pts
GIBERNAU, 277
BIAGGI, 228
CAPIROSSI 177
HAYDEN 130

2004
Rossi 304
Gibernau 257
Biaggi 217
Barros 165
Edwards 157

2005
Rossi Yamaha ITA 367
Melandri Honda ITA 220
Hayden Honda USA 206
Edwards Yamaha USA 179
Biaggi Honda ITA 173
Capirossi Ducati ITA 157
Gibernau Honda ESP 150

OVERRATED!

[jason 41]

Oh wow your so right........... So what will you be saying if Rossi up and wins the Championship this year? Or finishes second? Will he then be good enough to win the respect of "The great NASH" Bench racing extrodenaire. What ever dude. :wtg:

[Mike]

"Will he then be good enough to win the respect of "The great NASH" Bench racing extrodenaire"

Hey now...




My personal opinion is not that Rossi is overrated; in fact, I find that statement slightly insulting. You don't see people whining that Tiger Woods completely dominated his field just because no one else was at his level, well, the same can be said about Rossi - during the years he dominated, no one was anywhere near his level. If anything, a couple of riders have just recently come up to his level (possibly even surpassing him). That still doesn't mean that Rossi is overrated. Met his match? A little past his prime? Not doing his best? Maybe one of those, but not overrated.

Simple math: multiple world championships != (does-not-equal) overrated

[Nash]

Oh wow your so right........... So what will you be saying if Rossi up and wins the Championship this year? Or finishes second? Will he then be good enough to win the respect of "The great NASH" Bench racing extrodenaire. What ever dude. :wtg:

This coming from the same guy who's a class sand bagger and has to cheat with a built engine to stay competitive in amateur in club racing? You're so cool, Tiger!

[Mike]

good job guys :wtg: