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lawrider1
08-09-2008, 11:51 PM
does the city council not know where there bread is buttered?
Didn't Miller and Harley Made Milwaukee..........


From the September issue of “American Motorcyclist” magazine;

Sound Crackdown in Milwaukee Citizens Empowered to Launch Prosecutions over Noise

Imagine you’re cruising through Milwaukee on your way to the Harley- Davidson Motor Company’s 105th anniversary celebration on August 28-31. Someone thinks your motorcycle is making a bit too much noise, so he or she files a complaint with the police. The next thing you know, you’re in court, that person is testifying that your motorcycle was too loud as you rode down the road, and you get convicted of violating the city’s noise law.

Never mind that the individual who filed the complaint didn’t have a sound meter to take a sound measurement of your machine, but instead relied on his or her own subjective determination to decide that your bike was too loud.

Sound impossible? It’s not.

In May, the Common Council of the City of Milwaukee changed its sound law to allow any member of the public to file a noise complaint that can lead to prosecution. Law enforcement officers are not required to witness the alleged violation, nor even to investigate the complaint.

The law is in effect until Jan. 1, 2009, a time span that includes Harley-Davidson’s 105th anniversary celebration.

Lawmakers claim that it’s expensive to enforce and control sound from vehicles, so that’s why the law gives citizens the power to launch a prosecution.

AMA Government Affairs Manager Imre Szauter has studied sound ordinances around the nation, and says this is one of the most draconian he has seen in years.

“Giving citizens the power to launch a prosecution of a motorcyclist for excessive sound based on what they think they heard is unfair,” Szauter said. “By removing an actual law-enforcement investigator from the prosecution, the council has created a system that’s not only entirely subjective, but ripe for abuse. It makes no sense.”

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Mike
08-10-2008, 06:54 AM
That is impressively stupid :wall:

mccutch2u
08-10-2008, 07:33 AM
appeals will end that

dumwinnie
08-12-2008, 03:10 PM
no, when someone files several complaints on cars like a honda civic (with stock exhaust) they'll see how stupid this is.

Nash
08-12-2008, 03:25 PM
Some bikes are WAAAAY too loud. I do think the folks from WI are taking things too far, but a lot of these cruiser guys are getting away with too much noise. I mean, they just straight pipe it and call it a day. How in the hell do they get a way with it? Sure my bike is loud, but no where near what I hear as these guys go up and down Trolley. Wish I knew where they lived because I, too, can take my exhaust can off!

MrDude_1
08-12-2008, 03:46 PM
Some bikes are WAAAAY too loud.

i think Mac would disagree with you, but he couldnt hear you say that. :lol:

Nash
08-12-2008, 04:51 PM
i think Mac would disagree with you, but he couldnt hear you say that. :lol:

Mac's bike has nothing on some of these bikes that come by my house.

DK
08-12-2008, 06:30 PM
If the tag # is called in and an officer or other person associated with the investigation of the claim uses a sound meter after the violation is reported, then hell yeah, write them tickets out.

As it has been written, it is absurd. Having the citizens being granted the right to police for themselves is a noble cause. Taking someones word for it does not stand a chance in litigation.

Anyone riding with straight or gutted mod pipes on a big twin knows they are over the limit. Now if they wish to argue loud pipes save lives and they thought they could protect themselves by using loud pipes why haven't they considered using a proper horn?

These same folks are most likely to fit the statistical data rendered from bar hopping no helmet fatalities.

Why not have we seen or heard of signal units for trucks and autos that interrupts radio signals like a call waiting signal when motorcycles are present or near them on highways ? Simple tones that would be emitted by radio. Use existing fm technology with short signal length, uh stronger I pod signal. Install them on motorcycle and signal out. We have back up sensors, but would not expect all auto manufactures to have to derive a system. Just make them available to bikers and see if it would not be too obnoxious.

easye
08-12-2008, 06:35 PM
I agree with Nash, some of the choppers and harleys are obnoxiously loud:mad:, baffled pipes have a better tone anyways, I have never heard a straight pipe that sounded good, on any bike.

MrDude_1
08-13-2008, 08:52 AM
Why not have we seen or heard of signal units for trucks and autos that interrupts radio signals like a call waiting signal when motorcycles are present or near them on highways ? Simple tones that would be emitted by radio. Use existing fm technology with short signal length, uh stronger I pod signal. Install them on motorcycle and signal out. We have back up sensors, but would not expect all auto manufactures to have to derive a system. Just make them available to bikers and see if it would not be too obnoxious.

That would be a direct violation of FCC rules/law. (You know, one of those government agencies you dont get to vote for/on, but have to listen to, or face huge penalties.)

DK
08-13-2008, 10:44 AM
Since when did Japanese engineers control radio waves ?

They used to make really neat motorbike parts. Grand Prix stuff.

MrDude_1
08-13-2008, 10:49 AM
Since when did Japanese engineers control radio waves ?

They used to make really neat motorbike parts. Grand Prix stuff.

im sure you've seen the stickers that say "part 15 off the FCC rules state that this device will not cause harmful interference (what you want the device to do) and will accept any interference it receives"... or something like that, thats from memory.. the stupid sticker is on anything that transmits or receives radio waves and sold legally in the US.

heres a wiki for it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Part_15_(FCC_rules)

DK
08-13-2008, 10:59 AM
Vigilante CB signals ....... Or fog horns..........

DUDE, thanks for the link.

dumwinnie
08-14-2008, 09:52 PM
anything pumping enough wattage in close proximity can do some temp. (and sometimes permanent) damage. as long as you're not continuously xmitting or go crazy with it, the fcc will have a tough time finding you.

lawrider1
08-14-2008, 10:43 PM
Well those are some fine ideas.....Yes anything that emitts a signal has to have an FCC Lic. Even our radars have to be lic by FCC for the dept to use them.....