Eastcoast powesports dyno day!!

[barstoolracer]

ok everyone im trying to organize a dyno day here at the shop and im trying to schedule it so everyone here can participate and also accomodate others so im thinking about march 21st from 12 to 4 how does that sound?? it will be $30.00 for three pulls :smilebig: let me know asap so i can talk to the powers that be

[fasterthanyours]

I'm interested if we get my bike fixed :D

[jason 41]

I wouldn't let you dyno my Gary Fisher :lol: :lol: :smilebig:

[Turbo storm]

I wouldn't let you dyno my Gary Fisher :lol: :lol: :smilebig:

Uhhh whats a Gary Fisher?

[barstoolracer]

ok im lost what is gary fisher????? ok everyone but jason what do you think??? hahhahaa

[Booty Freak]

Gary Fisher & his crew invented Mtn Biking by racing beach
cruisers down Mt. Marin near San Francisco.

[iamnsxtc]

Gary Fisher & his crew invented Mtn Biking by racing beach
cruisers down Mt. Marin near San Francisco.

Thanks Booty Beat me to it

[jason 41]

:lol::lol::lol:

[Booty Freak]

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee42/CBRChilly/gary-feature-001.jpg

[Mike]

Is that who I think it is... maybe holding an old pic of himself?

[barstoolracer]

ok back on topic is that day good???

[Mike]

Err... sorry, yeah, the 21st seems like a good date to me. Since these are "pulls" does that mean no tuning by you? What about any tuning we may want to do on our own (assuming you have a sniffer)?

[ItsDomino]

dam,i would love to take advantage of this,i am going to Bristol that weekend though.Maybe i can get it done before i leave town though.Can i get the Harley and the Ninja done?LOL

[barstoolracer]

ok its official march 21st ecps dyno day call or pm me if your coming so i can prepare for this!!

[Mike]

Err... sorry, yeah, the 21st seems like a good date to me. Since these are "pulls" does that mean no tuning by you? What about any tuning we may want to do on our own (assuming you have a sniffer)?

Ahem! :smilebig:

[Turbo storm]

I'll answer for him since he is sleeping at the wheel.

They do have a sniffer that will tell you the fuel/air ratio in relation to the rpm. Could be a great tuning tool.


You are welcome Patrick.

[MrDude_1]

Ahem! :smilebig:

on every dyno day ive been to, they can stick the sniffer in there (sometimes they charge more) and you'll see your AFR on the map.

but on dyno day, theres just your 2 or 3 consecutive pulls, then they unstrap you and move on to the next vehicle... there isnt time to tune, as you have to go through everyone before the day is over.

if you really want to tune your bike/car/boat, and have the time, then get a O2 gauge, log it riding around, then tune it yourself... you get a much better tune that way anyway, as the sample time is longer, and the loads are real world....

[fasterthanyours]

Pat, PM.

[n9623xpilot]

Yeah, I am definately interested... As long as you will read my A/F ratio. I like the riding around method, but dont feel like rigging a gauge up like that...unless someone knows of a reasonably priced specific motorcycle gauge...? Anyhow, I will see you there Patrick, and expect some more expert advice for my pig!

[mccutch2u]

on every dyno day ive been to, they can stick the sniffer in there (sometimes they charge more) and you'll see your AFR on the map.

but on dyno day, theres just your 2 or 3 consecutive pulls, then they unstrap you and move on to the next vehicle... there isnt time to tune, as you have to go through everyone before the day is over.

if you really want to tune your bike/car/boat, and have the time, then get a O2 gauge, log it riding around, then tune it yourself... you get a much better tune that way anyway, as the sample time is longer, and the loads are real world....


that would be good for a carbed bike but I have done that with a couple of bikes as well as Crash and it was a waste of time not too mention who will be able to pay attention to an a/f meter at each rpm while paying attention to the road

I found it to be a waste of time when i can go to Kevin and pay him 300 buck or so and in an hour it be right on with a a/f line that is perfectly flat

and be able to put it back on the dyno any other time and see the same a/f ratio

noe that bazazz has the wide band system that is the way to go considering it compensates when needed. And doesn't cost much more than a pc3 and dyno time

[MrDude_1]

umm, meters as in an actual dial gauge or blinking lights are a waste of money.
when i say 02 gauge, im really refering to something like a LC-1... you hook it to the laptop, or use hardware logging, and go ride.. it just records everything.
you then know that at X rpm and Y throttle (or even with with Z manifold pressure) your engine had L air-fuel ratio.... and then you can play with the data to plug it back into the existing map.. slowly getting it closer to ideal.

it matters alot more on cars then bikes, but at this point id do it the same either way.. only diff between the two is setting up the laptop to not shut off when you fold it and stick it in the backpack. in the cars i messed with, you cant drive them and look at a screen/gauge either. shit happens too fast.

bazazz is basiclly doing automaticlly what im talking about doing ...

[the_MAC]

an exhaust sniffer doesn't do any good for tuning if your bike has emissions crap on it...

[mccutch2u]

umm, meters as in an actual dial gauge or blinking lights are a waste of money.
when i say 02 gauge, im really refering to something like a LC-1... you hook it to the laptop, or use hardware logging, and go ride.. it just records everything.
you then know that at X rpm and Y throttle (or even with with Z manifold pressure) your engine had L air-fuel ratio.... and then you can play with the data to plug it back into the existing map.. slowly getting it closer to ideal.

it matters alot more on cars then bikes, but at this point id do it the same either way.. only diff between the two is setting up the laptop to not shut off when you fold it and stick it in the backpack. in the cars i messed with, you cant drive them and look at a screen/gauge either. shit happens too fast.

bazazz is basiclly doing automaticlly what im talking about doing ...


still you would be better off just doing it on the dyno ..........from what I have read the the ram air effect doesn't change it enough to make your a/f that far off

[mccutch2u]

an exhaust sniffer doesn't do any good for tuning if your bike has emissions crap on it...


that is the true purpose of the smog block offs............

[eschmunk]

I would be interested but I would have to do remove the pair valve and put in some block off plates first. Suppose to be the only way to get a true reading.

*true reading to that dyno anyways.

-e

[MrDude_1]

an exhaust sniffer doesn't do any good for tuning if your bike has emissions crap on it...

yea, the cats mess with it.
if you still have catalytic converters on your bike, you need to put the O2 sensor before them.

still you would be better off just doing it on the dyno ..........from what I have read the the ram air effect doesn't change it enough to make your a/f that far off

ram air is for marketing.
real tuning comes out better in the real world because of load.
on any modern EFI system (and alot of bikes dont have modern systems) you're looking at a 3 or 4 dimensional base fueling map, minimum. in simple terms, it means the load the engine sees is different on the dyno then it is in the real world. lets say you held the throttle position and RPM constant for both the dyno and the real world.. the manifold vacuum would be different between the bike on the dyno, compared to the bike in the real world.. this has NOTHING to do with ram air or any other moving bike myths, its just that the load on the engine is different. while its possible for a dyno to replicate in theory, the dynojet software used today doesnt do it. it can hold the engine at a specific RPM, or hold a constant load, but it doesnt dynamically do both..
on a very simple alpha-N system, you only care about throttle position and RPM. this is what alot of the more simplistic bike ECUs use, and because of the simplicity, you wont see a huge diff. meanwhile if you're using a more advanced system that has throttle movement enrichment, predictive cycling, staged injectors, MAP sensors, etc... then you can gain more with more effective tuning.
the diff may be negligible for one application, and worthwild for another, but in both cases, it can easily be argued that the real world riding one would be more accurate. impractical for some, and perhaps unnecessary, but you cant argue that it isnt more accurate.

[Sweetruss]

ok everyone im trying to organize a dyno day here at the shop and im trying to schedule it so everyone here can participate and also accomodate others so im thinking about march 21st from 12 to 4 how does that sound?? it will be $30.00 for three pulls :smilebig: let me know asap so i can talk to the powers that be

So I guess your not at Champion Honda anymore........

[jason 41]

So I guess your not at Champion Honda anymore........
Nope he left his shipmates in the jungles of Nam :(

[MrDude_1]

Nope he left his shipmates in the jungles of Nam :(

you could go work for kenny.......



:whistle::evillaugh:



:lol:

[Professor Fate]

you could go race with kenny.......



:whistle::evillaugh:



:lol:
Fixed it for ya.

[unfast1]

yea, the cats mess with it.
if you still have catalytic converters on your bike, you need to put the O2 sensor before them.



ram air is for marketing.
real tuning comes out better in the real world because of load.
on any modern EFI system (and alot of bikes dont have modern systems) you're looking at a 3 or 4 dimensional base fueling map, minimum. in simple terms, it means the load the engine sees is different on the dyno then it is in the real world. lets say you held the throttle position and RPM constant for both the dyno and the real world.. the manifold vacuum would be different between the bike on the dyno, compared to the bike in the real world.. this has NOTHING to do with ram air or any other moving bike myths, its just that the load on the engine is different. while its possible for a dyno to replicate in theory, the dynojet software used today doesnt do it. it can hold the engine at a specific RPM, or hold a constant load, but it doesnt dynamically do both..
on a very simple alpha-N system, you only care about throttle position and RPM. this is what alot of the more simplistic bike ECUs use, and because of the simplicity, you wont see a huge diff. meanwhile if you're using a more advanced system that has throttle movement enrichment, predictive cycling, staged injectors, MAP sensors, etc... then you can gain more with more effective tuning.
the diff may be negligible for one application, and worthwild for another, but in both cases, it can easily be argued that the real world riding one would be more accurate. impractical for some, and perhaps unnecessary, but you cant argue that it isnt more accurate.



Holy shit. Call the MOTO GP teams and let them know they are wrong as well as every racebike engineer.

Travis from Charleston says you're all wrong.

Burns, tell Kevin to take the fans off his dyno, he's been doing it wrong all this time.

[jason 41]

Fixed it for ya.
I dont have to go with Kenny. I leave today to go race this weekend. I just didnt post it up, till now. And East Coast dosn't want to pay me what I'm worth. Thats why I dont work with Kenny. The only thing holding that deal up is money. i like the staff over there, the owners are good people.

[Professor Fate]

East Coast dosn't want to pay me what I'm worth.
I hear that!:smilebig:

[mccutch2u]

Holy shit. Call the MOTO GP teams and let them know they are wrong as well as every racebike engineer.

Travis from Charleston says you're all wrong.

Burns, tell Kevin to take the fans off his dyno, he's been doing it wrong all this time.


i have seen Kevin a number of times dyno a bike with and without the ram tubes and he always go more hp with the tubes on and that is without the air flow that is just taking them on and off i have seen as high as a 6-7 hp diffrence

[thehammer69]

Travis does have a point... There is NO pressurization of the intake. I'll try to simplify what Ram Air does... Imagine bikes that don't have Ram Air. Remove the air filter, properly jet the bike for no air filter, and you will see a horsepower increase. Ram air basically gets close to the amount of air through the air filter as if it wasn't there. Which leads to what Travis said...He said along the lines of "it's basically like having a cold air intake with Zero restriction". I would change the word restriction to no air filter, which is the restriction in most intakes.

[n9623xpilot]

still you would be better off just doing it on the dyno ..........from what I have read the the ram air effect doesn't change it enough to make your a/f that far off

Well, I would hate to make enemies here, but I would disagree with this statement. Please correct me if I am wrong...

This is strictly what I know from experience and I am trying to give my most un-biased opinion...

When attempting to tune my bike (Patrick to be exact...) he got it to run perfect...on the dyno. The second he would ride it down the street it would run like shit...only once above 50 mph; hence when the ram air tubes were accepting ram air and pressurizing the intake. Plain and simple, the bike was running lean and could not compensate in fuel for the extra air. Problem was temporarily resolved with a little duct tape over the ram air tubes. After jetting the bike it ran great, and the power gains in third gear at 60 mph seemed to be equal to that of first gear at 20 mph. Would this not be a direct relation to the ram air?? (honest question)

Now I know we are talking bikes specifically here, but in cars there is a huge gain with a quality ram air set-up. I know we arent talking cars, so I wont even go there (even though thats my speciality!)

Opinions or facts welcome...

[CBRjunkie]

Travis does have a point... There is NO pressurization of the intake.


Well there is PRESSURIZATION.....just not enough to create positive pressure. :yeah:

[Chris]

just less negative???

[MrDude_1]

Well there is PRESSURIZATION.....just not enough to create positive pressure. :yeah:

well, you have to define pressure.there is a large difference between Dynamic and Static compression.

[mccutch2u]

not to mention how do you plan on creating pressure when you a have vacuum

[mccutch2u]

here you go ram air put to the test

unless these guys have no clue then i would have to say that ram air is more than a martketing tool

http://www.sportrider.com/tech/146_9910_ram/index.html
http://www.sportrider.com/tech/146_9912_ram

[MrDude_1]

here you go ram air put to the test

unless these guys have no clue then i would have to say that ram air is more than a martketing tool

http://www.sportrider.com/tech/146_9910_ram/index.html
http://www.sportrider.com/tech/146_9912_ram


Of all of the applied sciences, fluid mechanics is among the most difficult for many people to comprehend. It is a relatively youthful applied science as well, meaning that it has not had two or three centuries of work to mature into an applied science on par, with say, chemical combustion. To make matters worse, it is mathematically defined almost entirely by experimentally-determined mathematics.

This last point is the true differentiator between those who only understand concepts, and those who can quantify what they are discussing. Truly, quantification is the real skill of the engineer. It is one thing to speak about qualitative issues (the “what” of the physical sciences); it is entirely another to quantify them (the “how much” and “to what extent” of the same). In grade school, students are first taught about “closed form mathematics” and then that these mathematics are typical of scientific expression. A good example of this is Newton’s famed “law of action and reaction”, the mathematical expression of which is a succinct F=MA. So straightforward. So simple. Three variables in perfectly-defined harmony. Given any two of them, the third is easy to nail down.

Unfortunately, a vast, vast majority of the mathematics used in engineering are NOT closed form. Instead, they are multi-variable correlations valid only for a narrow set of circumstances. Deviate from those narrow circumstances, and a new expression must be experimentally derived. Fluid mechanics is almost entirely defined by these experimentally-determined expressions, further muddying an applied science not well understood.

And if there ever were an applied science for which common sense is wholly inappropriate, it is fluid mechanics. Virtually nothing obeys the “common sense” rules of observation, explaining why those who believe in ram air have extreme difficulty in believing that is simply does not exist.

The Deeper Explanation begins with a basic explanation of engine principles. Air and fuel must be combusted at a specific ratio, namely, 14.7 parts air to 1 part fuel (this is a chemical ratio). Stuffing more fuel into the cylinders without increasing the amount of air they also swallow will get no gain whatsoever. So the hot rodder’s adage “more air = more power” is proven correct. Figure out a way to stuff more air into the cylinder at any given RPM and throttle setting, and you can burn more fuel. Since burning fuel is what makes power, more air truly does create more power.

The amount of air which is inducted into a cylinder is a function of the air’s density. As the air flows through the intake tract, it loses pressure, and as the pressure decreases, so does the air’s density. (Denisty is mass divided by volume. Since cylinders are a fixed volume, increasing the density will also increase the mass of the air in the cylinder.) There are two ways to increase the pressure and density of the air inducted into the cylinders:

- Decrease the pressure drop from the throttle plate to the cylinders

- Increase the starting pressure at the throttle plate.

Ram air is an attempt to do the second. Under normal circumstances, the air at the throttle plate is at atmospheric pressure, and this pressure drops until the air reaches the cylinders. Ram air would start the process at some pressure higher than atmospheric, and even though the drop is the same, the cylinder pressure is higher because of the increase at the start.

Just how would this increase in pressure at the throttle plate occur? The oft-wrong “common sense” says, “If a scoop is placed in the airstream flowing around the vehicle, the velocity of the air ‘rams’ the air into the scoop, thus increasing the pressure.”

Why is this incorrect? There are two types of pressure: static and dynamic. Placing of one’s hand in front of a fan, or out of a moving car’s window, clearly exerts a force on the hand as the air diverts its path to flow around it. Most people would say “See? This is a clear indication that ram air works. Clearly there is pressure from the velocity of the air.” Well, this is correct, but only to a point. This is an example of dynamic pressure, or the force any moving fluid exerts upon obstacles in its path as the gas is diverted around the obstacle.

What an engine needs is static pressure. This is the pressure the same fluid exerts on any vessel containing it at rest. For those who were physics/chemistry geeks, it is the pressure caused by the force of the molecules bouncing off of the walls of the container. The key to understanding the difference between static and dynamic pressure lies in the velocity of the gas. Dynamic pressure is only a momentum effect due to the bulk motion of the fluid around an obstacle. Static pressure is an intrinsic property of a gas or fluid just because the molecules of the fluid are moving around. Any fluid which is moving can have BOTH dynamic and static pressure, but a fluid at rest only has static pressure.

The point of ram air would be to increase the static pressure, which would correspond to an increase in the in-cylinder air density, and of course, more air. Superchargers and turbochargers do what the mythical ram air purports to do. A supercharger trades the power of the belt and uses it to compress the air in the intake tract. This energy trade-off results in an increase in intake air pressure, more air in the cylinders, more fuel burned, and more power. A turbocharger trades the power of the hot gases and uses it to compress the air in the intake. The overall effect is the same – an increase in intake static pressure.

For ram air to work, it would have to trade the energy of the air’s velocity (as the vehicle moves through the air) for an increase in static pressure (since static pressure is a part of a gas’s internal energy, we see this is TRULY a trade in kinetic energy for an increase in internal energy). Now for the true reasons why ram air is a myth:

- The way for air velocity to be traded for an increase in static pressure is to actually SLOW IT DOWN in a nozzle of some sort. This is easily the MOST counterintuitive part of fluid mechanics for most people. The “common sense” mind says “In order to increase the pressure of the intake, the velocity of the air needs to be increased, just as increasing the speed of a fan exerts more force upon the hand.” Not only does this confuse dynamic with static pressure, but is also misses the point, which is to trade the kinetic energy of the gas for an increase in internal energy. How can this trade occur if the kinetic energy of the gas is increased? It cannot, and in fact, the only way to trade it is to use the velocity of the gas to compress itself – by slowing it down.

- Below about Mach 0.5 (or about half the speed of sound), air is considered “incompressible”. That is, even if the correct nozzle is selected, and the air is slowed down (the official term is “stagnated”) there will be zero trade. No kinetic energy will be traded in as work capable of compressing the air. The reasons for this are not discussed here; the reader may consult any reputable fluid mechanics textbook for confirmation of this fact. In plain English, a car is just too slow for ram air to work.

Still not enough evidence? Here is a little test. For ram air to work, the nozzle must be of a specific shape. The “Holley Scoop” for the Fiero is the wrong shape, by the way. The fact that it has no net shape at all immediately means it cannot effect any kind of energy trade off, so it cannot possibly create ram air. This is also true for the hood scoops on the Pontiac Firebird WS6 package as well, by the way.

What shape must it be? There are two kinds of nozzles. Pick one:

- Converging. This nozzle gets smaller as the air flows through it. It has a smaller exit than entrance. If the nozzle were a cone, the fat end is where the air would enter, and the narrow end is where it would exit.

- Diverging. This nozzle is opposite the other; it gets bigger as the air flows through it. With a larger exit than entrance, the narrow end of the cone is where the air would enter, and the fat end is where it would exit.

So, which is it?

Without hesitation, most of the “common sense” crowd will answer “Converging.” BZZZZT! Thank you for playing anyway! We have some lovely parting gifts for you! Bill, tell ‘em what they’ve won….

The answer is “divergent”. Yes, the nozzle would have to shaped so that the skinny end is pointed into the air stream, and the fat end connects to the throttle plate. How can this be right? Remember, to increase the static pressure of the intake air (which is the true “ram air” effect), the kinetic energy of the air must be traded to compress the air. This is done by slowing the air down, or stagnating it, and the only way to do this is with a diverging nozzle. Ah, but since air is incompressible at automobile speeds, it doesn’t matter any way.

Conclusion

Ram air is a myth because it does not exist, for the following reasons:

- Air is incompressible at any automobile speed., meaning that the kinetic energy of the air cannot be used to compress the air and raise the static pressure.

- The “ram air” nozzles commonly employed on automobiles tend to be the wrong shape. A divergent nozzle is required for ram air. Straight-profile scoops cannot provide a ram air effect.

Select one of the two types of intakes, warm air, or cold air. Beyond that its just about looks.

[MrDude_1]

not to mention how do you plan on creating pressure when you a have vacuum

at WOT there should not be a vacuum in the airbox relative to the air pressure outside the bike... if there is, you have an intake restriction.

[barstoolracer]

ok back on topic whos coming my head hurts from this science of "ram air" or lack there of

[mccutch2u]

Hey Travis can you tell us how you created the universe or the grand canyon cause that was absolutely amazing how is it that people can explain things and you find some way to argue it by writing novels on a forum

[the_MAC]

with really big words...

[Professor Fate]

Better yet! How do we understand women?
Ready when you are Sir.:popcorn:

[MrDude_1]

Hey Travis can you tell us how you created the universe or the grand canyon cause that was absolutely amazing how is it that people can explain things and you find some way to argue it by writing novels on a forum

its not worth it to type out whats been written a million times, so that was a copy + paste...

the universe was created by a big bang... approximately 4 hours after i ate taco bell.

teh grand canyon happened by accident.. one day i was walking through the midwest, when i tripped and dropped my ego. the crater that remained became known as the grand canyon.

[Mike]

Damn... but he still can't explain women... we're fucked :crying:

[fasterthanyours]

And the Mississippi was formed when you were in Michigan and decided to take a piss after a night of partying?

[Turbo storm]

Damn... but he still can't explain women... we're fucked :crying:



uhhh yep.:wave:

[mandingo]

Who wants to participate? You will get three pulls to include air fuel mix and depending on your results you can decide whether or not to proceed with the tuning.

[dizzyg44]

I'm interested...

Especially for a tuning if you have the Axone and the proper interface.

I'm not throwing a PCIII to mask a problem that should be fixed properly in the first place.

[Scootimus]

I would be in but I will be on my way to Vegas! Too bad it's for work and not play.

[barstoolracer]

ok guys and girls this just in dyno day has been changed to april 4th due to umm some very interesting changes i got in the works here so i got ron from bazzaz probably coming down to help out and yall will be able to see how badass bazzaz is before you buy it plus that same day we are gonna be running deals all day long!!! stay tuned for updates!!!!!

[Mike]

Interesting update :wtg:

[Turbo storm]

Cool. Keep us informed.

[jason 41]

ok guys and girls this just in dyno day has been changed to april 4th due to umm some very interesting changes i got in the works here so i got ron from bazzaz probably coming down to help out and yall will be able to see how badass bazzaz is before you buy it plus that same day we are gonna be running deals all day long!!! stay tuned for updates!!!!!
Now thats a guy who can dyno my bike :yeah:

[barstoolracer]

Now thats a guy who can dyno my bike :yeah:
:shrug:maybe lil buddy just maybe

[fasterthanyours]

Does Bazzaz have an answer for the PCV?

[the_MAC]

i'll try to remove the PAIR system from my bike before then, and then i can have it dyno'd. doesn't really make sense to do it before then...

[jason 41]

Does Bazzaz have an answer for the PCV?
PCV is the answer to Bazzaz.

[fasterthanyours]

<--needs to do more research

I still don't think the PCV was taken as far as it could have been.

They'll release an all in one unit in a few years.

[fasterthanyours]

Ok so Bazzaz makes the same thing from what I see. The FI Controller that talks to the A/F Mapping along with the other things they sell. Cool though.

[barstoolracer]

Bazzaz hands down beats any dynojet product in my opinion that's why we are trying to get them to help out our dyno day so yall can see how nice it is as of now the 4th is a no go due to road atlanta so stay tuned for the exact day to be announced very soon!!!

[the_MAC]

so does that mean the bazzaz guy won't lend a hand if someone has a power commander??

[wspider]

ok so are yall saying that the dyno jet pc that my wife bought me for my BDAY is not really a good thing to have, that there is something better out there or what? and how do i know if i got it dyno'd right i mean ECPS did it so i would hope it is right.

[fasterthanyours]

The problem with all mapping modules is until recently they were all static mappings. You had to have the bike on the dyno and run through and measure your Air to Fuel ratio at certain RPM levels and some other crap. Thing is, you might get it set perfect on the dyno, but tomorrow or next week the conditions are going to be different, humidity, air pressure, and your gas. So then your bike runs like shit.

The idea behind the Bazzaz system and the PCV is that it makes these changes on the fly. However I have a hunch that there's still a lot of work to do to get to 100% auto A/F ratio system. For example, you car or truck does it now and those systems have been around for decades.

[barstoolracer]

ok so are yall saying that the dyno jet pc that my wife bought me for my BDAY is not really a good thing to have, that there is something better out there or what? and how do i know if i got it dyno'd right i mean ECPS did it so i would hope it is right.
on our model gsxrs thats all that is out there now for the newer bikes bazzaz hands down spanks a dynojet and mac all bazzaz is doing is helping us out with the day and to showcase the units and their functions

[mccutch2u]

ok so are yall saying that the dyno jet pc that my wife bought me for my BDAY is not really a good thing to have, that there is something better out there or what? and how do i know if i got it dyno'd right i mean ECPS did it so i would hope it is right.


I don't think that bazzaz offers anything for your year bike anyway so you will be fine

[the_MAC]

their traction control units are badazz!!

[jason 41]

their traction control units are badazz!!
Yes they are! I can pin the throtle on my 1000 mid corner with no real threat of a highside! Thats awesome. The trick is tunning it for max drive out of the corners :yeah:

[scott999]

Have em bring a 1098 setup!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[barstoolracer]

im working on it scott !!!!!

[scott999]

so is the 4th the day? or are you still workin on it?

[barstoolracer]

still tryin to nail bazzaz to a date the 4th wont work due to the race in atlanta that weekend

[Turbo storm]

still tryin to nail bazzaz to a date the 4th wont work due to the race in atlanta that weekend

That's where I'll be.

[n9623xpilot]

ok guys and girls this just in dyno day has been changed to april 4th due to umm some very interesting changes i got in the works here so i got ron from bazzaz probably coming down to help out and yall will be able to see how badass bazzaz is before you buy it plus that same day we are gonna be running deals all day long!!! stay tuned for updates!!!!!


That sucks...Now I have to weigh out what is more important...Moving into my new house, or getting my bike on a dyno...

Guess I am out for now, unless this guy does carbs too??? I doubt it though, sounds like a computer thing to me...Maybe a carb bike day?!?!

:shrug:

[wspider]

hey this dyno day is that 30$ also include tuning if the bike needs it, cause i dont know if the wreck caused it to tweek

[BJ]

Any chance of doing this again? I'd like to get my bike on the dyno to see what kind of crappy numbers it's pulling before going any further on customization.. just as a base number (even though it's already got aftermarket exhaust, Kenny doesn't like to hear it I think :P)

[Scootimus]

Well the original day hasn't even happened yet. Maybe one day before fall comes.

[BJ]

I would be in for it, definately. If I couldn't make it up there that day, I could always drop the bike off the night before or something. but I'm pretty sure I could arrange to be there for my first ever dyno run. lol