Stunting and riding while intoxicated

[SUM650]

i'm still trying to get him out to jennings, you know, to see if i can drop these percentages a little bit.

http://www.scriders.com/forum/index.php?topic=1842.msg36851#msg36851

I went and read that post. What I got out of it was there’s quite a few people that like to drink and ride. Then they want to ride and pull stunts on the public streets. It looks like quite a few of them are crashing and getting hurt while riding past there limits, stunting or riding after 4 pitchers of beer. Here is one quote “ Lunatic couldn’t tell anyway, even if it was in perfect condition!” I also learned that the Master Boomer guy is a better rider than 98% of the people in SC. Who is this guy? BTW it never came out how the Hondawg08 guy got hurt. I don't know if he was smashed, stunting or rider error. No one would say. Anyway, Jennings or no rider safety course is going to help these folks that are involved in these types of activities. After all of the fatalities of people that drink downtown and ride there bikes, you would figure that people would learn. Apparently not, and we wonder why sport bikers have such a bad image?

[Nash]

Barry, I've been screaming this for years.

wow how about ask before throwing stones. Hondawg06 is the guy who boght my old track bike. he is new to the scene. it is his first real bike and made a rookie mistake. and now he's a stunter? WTF? he came out of dirt to asphalt and had the bike over reved. and I have allready told him to take it easy for awhile THEN go to the track.

hey barry your throwing stones strait out of a glass house

http://www.cornerjunkies.com/forum/files/barry_to_close_394.jpg

[Nash]

yeah.. with a "HANGOVA" not piss drunk like I was when I wrecked pimpin'n!

I think this quote pretty much says it for itself.

[mccutch2u]

i don't see a beer in Barry's hand or i doubt that he had been drinking also it doesn't look like he is on a public street where there would be alot of traffic it looks like an industrial area.................also how many rides have you been on with us and seen barry or anyof us doing stunts on I26 or any interstatei don't think that he ever said that people should not stunt or ride at a fast pace Barry has always said if that is what you want to do then do it and let people know so that we can do it in a place that would be a some what safe environment not 26 or some interstate and not drunk...............and as for Allen saying that he is better than 98% of the riders in sc then i must say that we all have dreams.............i think i think that i am a good rider but i would never say something like that............. i would say the same thing about myself if 98% of the riders i rode with were newbies or did not ride fast that well

What im saying is a shot was fired at Scriders. when the information was inacurate. Alot of people here have problems with other sites for some odd reason. I have no idea where this comes from but i for one am kinda tired of it. So the question is= is this a site for everyone or just "the click" ? If so then i will be happy to leave you 5 or 6 to yourselves. but as far as baggin on my friends that you guys dont know about. thats uncalled for. we have all rode and it seams like some people here like pointing fingers at other brands/ riding styles/ or intrest. people her state things like dragracing is gay but hell chris the first night i met you was at stripfest {a stunt venue} dragraceing kieth..... and have yet to see you on a track {sorry chris just a example} there are many more. so what gives here? Are the members here so great that they are able to scrootanize everyone else? Ex kenny's decisions about roebling, my bike brand choise, or others riding styles? My point is this Dario {the guy drinking} would help me out at the drop of a hat, Hondawg brian is new to the sport and is exited about meeting you guys. And it seams like every time something happens there's someone there to bitch about it. well now im going to take a page out of a stunter's book, Tomas evans "I would prefer you to show up and say thank you, If thats not to good enough for you or you just need something to bitch about STAY HOME and me and your friends will go out. " "Or you could shut the fuck up and come riding with us"

[mccutch2u]

i do not feel that anyone is pointing the finger at anyone inparticular but more so to the stunting down i26 and shit like that and if anyone thinks that someone can go and get drunk and it be ok to ride or let thier friend ride drunk i will tell them they can kiss my a^% because i have lost friends not just someone i ride with but a friend to drinking and riding and to this day i feel that if i was there i could have made a difference so as for justifying riding drunk then i myself will never agree.......... now to the stunting and all of that noone here says that they shouldn't do it but do it in a place that is safer than 26 and such some of here have seen people die not just heard it and until you have been there you will never understand...........the ride home after timberland was the worst of my life and if i can prevent that aside from not riding then i will do it even if it means telling someone to take their shit somewhere else..............so to sum it up for you .............STUNTERS DRINKERS SMOKERS AND WHOEVER, YOU ARE ALWAYS WELCOME TO CORNERJUNKIES AND TO RIDE WITH ME BUT LEAVE DRINKING TO THE CLUBS AND SUCH AND THE STUNTING TO A CONTROLLED ENVIRONMENT NOT I26..............................WE ONLY PREACH WHAT WE HAVE LEARNED NOT TO BE THE GUARDIAN ANGEL

[dumwinnie]

i agree 100%, i have no problem riding with anyone, as long as they're sober (both from alcohol and other mind altering "additives.")

[SUM650]

Let me make sure everyone is clear here. I have in no way shape or form said anything negative about the scriders forum. Hell, I love the guy who started it, Thomas. I didn't say anything bad about any person. So please don't misquote me. Please read my post again. In fact here is a major quote take from it. " What I got out of it was there’s quite a few people that like to drink and ride. Then they want to ride and pull stunts on the public streets. It looks like quite a few of them are crashing and getting hurt while riding past there limits, stunting or riding after 4 pitchers of beer. " Now you go and read the 6 pages from that thread. You will understand what I was saying is true. You may not like what I have to say but I'm going to keep preaching it. So pass it along. Stunting does not belong on the public streets, Drinking / getting high and riding a bike is just plain old STUPID! I don't know the hondadawg08 guy and I certainly didn't know that master boomer was Allen. I do agree that Allen is a good rider. Now tell him that I said that he needs to get another dirt bike. I like everyone including the guy's that get drunk and high and ride. I know Dario but I didn't know he was involved in an accident. I think he is a really cool guy and a pretty good stunter for sure. However is to smart of a guy to be drinking and riding. How can you call someone your friend and you let them drink 4 pitchers or beer and ride a bike? Knowing your friends are high and drunk, how can your ride with them? Take the initiative Randy, you are a very bright guy and a natural leader. Encourage your buddies to change those self destructive habits. I know that Kenny, myself and several other riders here have been to a funeral where the rider was killed while drinking and riding. Take my word for it, you will never ever forget the look on the mothers face.

Why do you say no one here likes drag racing, or stunting. Hell, I was once a wannabe half azz stunter myself. I used to do some of the stupidest shi$ on the street. Just ask Nash. Hell a lot of us old school riders have been where you guy’s are right now. I cannot tell you how many people I knew, that were downtown drinking and ended up getting killed or in a major crash. So we are telling you form experience. As far as drag racing goes, you don’t know how far I go back in that sport. I’ll just say it was way before I got a bike. I absolutely love drag racing, even thought I suck at it. I only give you shi% because I know it will get a rise out of you. So don’t take it personal that women are at the top of drag racing. (Ya’ll think that one got him going?) Again, I never said anything about any person or the scriders forum in a negative way. I simply stated that the thread was about a bunch of people that need to make some life saving changes, and I hope that you will lead the way. Accept my apologies if you or anyone has misconstrued my original message as something negative towards any persons or groups.

If i get in a group of MEN {remember over 18 here} and they say my hospital gloves will save my ass. Ok but race gloves like alpine stars will really do the trick. If that man sais THIS IS WHAT IM DOING! at some point i have to step back and allow that to happen... make sence. Now as far as what you have read barry... is it barry or berry? anyway I have rode alot with the guys on scriders. and i think you may be misconstued. we are not about stunting or drinking or rounding up prostitutes. yes We go out drinking. however everytime I have went we rounded up the trucks. piled in and went out on the town. So i think you have misunderstood us going riding and then going drinking. we would ride then go grab the trucks and head out to city bar or where ever. Now with 500+ members hey accidents are bound to come up. however this year has scared the shit out of me. BTW our good friend and VERY experienced rider Scrapyard went down today HARD! he wasnt drinking or stunting he was on his way to work. had a tankslaper on 526. but thats another thread. Barry i think you have been misled as for your impression of what is going on with us out riding. I hope that you understand that its not all booze hookers and wheelies. well its not booze and wheelies

[dumwinnie]

we are not about stunting or drinking or rounding up prostitutes.

well, if there are no prostitutes, count me out.

[Nash]

SCRiders is what it is. It's a younger group of riders. With that comes stunting, consistently talking about racing with the "front pack", and where to meet up to party while riding bikes. Hey this is great for some but it's not me and it's not for most on this board. I really like several of the guys and gals at SCR but I don't know the majority of them, so in saying that and by reading what they write on the forum this is where I get my opinion of the type of people that post there. I don't know, maybe they don't stunt down Rivers or drink while riding, but I wouldn't know that from what is said in the SCR forum.

While, you Randy, may think a few of us on here think we're better than others, it's not the case at all. We tend to hang with people who think alike. I've never once heard anyone on this forum say they are better than anyone else, maybe you should look at your SCR forum for that....Also, do you realize how many accidents we've seen over the years caused by the things I've listed above?? In my nine years of riding in the Charleston area I've seen it all. We've seen it all and the hard truth is that the majority of the riders at SCR have not due the most being fairly new to riding.

I'm not trying to separate this forum from other local forums, we have friends who frequent both, but I am trying to separate myself from others who act and think differently than I do. Just like the great Bobby Brown once sang...It's my prerogative! I've always been this way and waaaayyyy before forums were invented. You can ask anyone on this board that knows me well, that I've always preached about keeping stupid crap to a minimum. I almost quit riding because the stupidity level was going off the chart. I've learned to deal with it a little better now and sometimes I feel I turn my cheek maybe too often. Why do you think I brought up the idea of a safety day? I do truly care about other riders but it gets old hearing and seeing the SAME stupid crap happening over and over.

[Kat_Mac]

Randy, have you heard if Sean needs anything? Is he ok? Give him my cell number in the event he does.

[SUM650]

Nothing to say Kat? I want to here your opinion about this particular thread that was posted. You read it and tell me what you get from it.

http://www.scriders.com/forum/index.php?topic=1842.msg36851#msg36851

[burns]

I don't care who you are or how big you are. If you ride drunk or high you are a stupid ass mother fuck. And if they go down while being drunk or high, fuck 'em!!!!!!!

[burns]

This guy I know was out getting drunk one night and was on his HOG. When at a red light he forgot to put his feet down and fell over. Another time he was so drunk and ran into a car. He still parties like hell and just got a new bike. He will never learn. He is married and has a 4 year old daughter. IT sucks!!

[Kat_Mac]

What is there to say?

Stunting, drinking, interstates are not words I want to hear in any combination.

On one hand, I know I’ve made my fair share of mistakes on a bike; i.e. riding without a helmet, riding in a dress and sandals, riding while sleepy. Any of you that have ever seen me while I’m terribly tired will vouch that it is the equivalent of riding drunk. I’m practically comatose. Each experience could have been fatal. I feel daft now admitting I was ever so foolish. The thought of having someone rub my nose in it makes me cringe.

Do I think it was the best decision? Absolutely not. I believe anyone caught with a DUI should be charged with attempted murder even if it is his/her first offence. A vehicle is a tool as is a gun. Each time someone yields a potentially deadly tool, he/she puts not only his/her life endanger but all those around them. Would you shoot drunk? DO NOT DEBATE ME on this. I am immobile on this issue.

Like Barry and Dave (Nash), all I can do is share my experience. Hope someone will heed my words and hard-earned wisdom. Some still need to make their own mistakes in order to obtain the value of what is being said.

As far as SCRiders, the average person logging into the site seems to be younger than CornerJunkies. Like Dave (Nash) pointed out, we have a tendency to surround ourselves with like-minded individuals with similar ethics, interests and experiences. Still…

[glow=red:57b9dd8391]THIS IS NOT SCRIDERS vs CORNERJUNKIES. [/glow:57b9dd8391]

Merely, an exchange of opionions of individuals only. From my understanding, Mike of SCRiders and Mike of CornerJunkies have a great professional relationship and mutual respect for one another. I hope that despite heated discussions on both sites that doesn’t change.

Generally speaking, sportbikes is a young man’s sport. Do you remember what you were like when you were 23? Do you remember how you felt about someone your age now trying to tell you to think things through?

I am disappointed with the venom of which words are flying about this subject and other issues. It undermines what this forum and the other was created for, [glow=red:57b9dd8391]RIDER UNITY[/glow:57b9dd8391].

By the way, Barry, it was very big of you to apologize. Your ability to lead by example and humility has impressed me since we first met (notwithstanding your opinion of female drivers).

[CameraTrick]

My .02 because I get tired of the generalizations....

Since I have been logging on to SCR (6 or 7 months) I have noticed a very transient group of members - many new riders who sign up, never show up, and are never heard from again. Most of the people on that board I have never met, nor do I yearn to. The board is promoted well with stickers and such, and as a results lots of new riders post up on a regular basis looking for a group of riders to hang out with. Many of the people, however, (Randy, Allen, Scraps, Dumwin, myself, and several other regulars) have tens of thousands of miles under our belts individually. I don't think any of us go out riding with these newer riders and many of us stay away from them on purpose because we realize the risks of doing such.

I hope that noone looks at SCR and assumes that we are ALL a tight group of friends the way that this board seems to be. Don't get me wrong, many of us are great friends, but most of the riders on the board are unknown to us......

That being said, I don't know of anyone who openly condones drinking/riding and the such......However, I have ridden with you guys quite a few times and have seen some of you (some of who are posting in this post right now in fact) pulling wheelies on the open road so please don't act like you are above doing it.....

[Nash]

Wheelies are great and I love to see them, just not on Rivers Ave.

[CameraTrick]

also how many rides have you been on with us and seen barry or anyof us doing stunts on I26 or any interstateif a wheelie is considered a stunt - then twice out of maybe 4 or 5 rides.

As far as Rivers Ave goes, I don't think I've seen anyone do a stunt on Rivers from CJ or SCR. Heard about it yes, just never seen it.

[Ray]

As far as drinking and riding.....

I remember a few well maybe about 6 years ago there was this guy we rode downtown with. He got hammered and threw his leg over a 900RR(I believe). Needless to say he did not make it home and his family lost him to a terrible accident that could have been avoided. I did not see the accident happen. Just the aftermath. I have lost friends to drinking and driving. Hell I have even lost family members to drinking and driving. I stand EXTREMELY firm on my beliefs and I, like Kat, will NOT budge.

I stood up in court and told a judge that my AUNT should be punished to the fullest extent of the law because she hit a family head on while drinking. Talk about being the black sheep of the family. I am the lucky father of 3 very beautiful children, and I will tell you this. If, and I hope to GOD I do not ever have to go through this, one of my children was hurt by a drunk driver, I would probably kill them myself.

This brings me to something else. The people on here that knew me when I had a death wish know how I would ride. I am not bragging, but (yeah there it is....the BUT) I could ride with the best of them with my childrens mother riding with me. You want to talk about stupid, I have been there and done that. When we tell these younger riders that we do not want to see this stuff on the streets (I-26) ... we are speaking from EXPERIENCE. Not because we want to tell them what to do. We just do not want to see anymore people hurt.


I will stop now because I feel as if I am talking in circles, and maybe on deaf ears, but I have tried to explain my thought and beliefs. Maybe someone will listen. I know back then I was told I needed to be more careful, and now looking back I wish I would have listened.

[Ray]

I don't care who you are or how big you are. If you ride drunk or high you are a stupid ass mother fuck. And if they go down while being drunk or high, fuck 'em!!!!!!!


My new hero!!! :hail:


You ever need back up ..... Call me!

[DragonFZ6]

I know I don't have a great deal of riding experiance, I do however have a brain. I can tell you anyone who rides drunk deserves anything they get plus some.

As far as stunts, I have to say I have only seen one person EVER doing a wheelie on a busy road. The only other time I have seen it is on a very deserted country road. The one of the busy road was some stupid asshole with a deathwish. It was during rush hour traffic on N Rhett. He had on a tshirt and shorts with no helmet, holding a wheelie as long as he could. Stupid!